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"Geert K. Marien" <[log in to unmask]>
Thu, 4 Mar 1993 00:26:34 EST
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   With all due  respect, the responses discussed by  Natalie and others
really don't hit the point.
 
   I find the following general cases:
 
1) A system (usually a unix type  system) has a problem with mail coming
   in - whether it is a mailer problem or the system forgets its userids
   for some time is another matter.
 
2) A system (typically  a Unix or VM system) may  have a mailer problem,
   like it  can't find  some file  (such as  an error  log file)  and so
   bounces mail.
 
3) A  system  sends  a reject,  but  it  is really  not  a reject,  just
   something like your  mail is having problems  being delivered because
   I'm a  brain dead system  so I  want to let  you know that  your mail
   couldn't be delivered for 1 day and  I will try for 26 (or more) days
   more.  "No further action is required by you."
 
4) The  mail system couldn't  connect for 1 day,  so your mail  is being
   returned to  you (but,  if I  would try for  3 days,  I might  have a
   better chance  of sending  it to the  user, but, let  me not  be that
   intelligent a system).
 
5) The users mailbox is full.
 
   I can go on, but you get the point ...
 
   If the user does not exist, then it  could be that he or she does not
really have an account anymore, or it  could be many other things - like
the mailer is temporarily  broken and will be fixed within  a day or so,
or the site lost all its ids somehow for a short time, etc ...
 
   That being  the case,  just bear  it and  it will  clear up.   If you
delete  or nomail  the user,  they will  then have  to re-subscribe.   I
choose to be nice to my people and follow up as best I can, not deleting
the userid until  I am reasonably sure it really  doesn't exist.  I send
mail  to the  postmaster sometimes  to  find out.   Several times,  they
didn't even know they had a problem and thanked me for pointing it out!
 
   Another problem is a site that has  a problem and you resend the mail
and  it works  (like the  one that  prompted me  to write  in the  first
place).  I know this takes patience, but  it is worth it, at least it is
to me.
 
   It is a  lot harder for a user  to re-sub to all the  lists that they
could be deleted (or, worse yet,  nomailed from and they don't even know
what nomail  is!) from  than it  is for  the list-owner to just be a tad
patient and see if it clears up.
 
   Sometimes, even, the user had a  mail forwarding address put in a few
days after the initial bounce and I got it and updated my list.  That is
something I have been appreciated for!  (And, I send LOGs too!)
 
   So there you have it - patience and a little work pays off.
 
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