>One of the orphans is probably bound to port 2306 and I imagine if you >check listserv.log after the last restart you'll find that it couldn't >bind to port 2306. You have to kill all 'lsv' processes before restarting. > >Nathan That was it. At the start of listserv's log I found: >>> LISTSERV already running on pid 107600 <<< -> Clean shutdown of LISTSERV(107600) initiated... -> LISTSERV(107600) successfully shut down. >>> Cannot bind to local host, port 2306: error 67. Killing the two processes and restarting listserv solved the problem. I guess once it can't bind that port it never tries again - right? The orphans were probably caused at our midnight restart. I'm going to change that to 12:30 a.m. -- too much happening at 00:00. Here is the log showing the kill problem: >>> LISTSERV already running on pid 55698 <<< -> Clean shutdown of LISTSERV(55698) initiated... -> Timeout - attempting SIGKILL... -> LISTSERV(55698) killed. We restart every six hours so the log files don't get too big. -- Bill Verity - 814-865-4758 Fax: 814-863-7049 Postmaster & Listserv maintainer Center for Academic Computing, Penn State University At the office - on my Mac, of course ;-)