What I dislike about services like remarq is dealing with the confused users who can't even make it through the service's subscribe procedure, or have some other problem. They sometimes wind up writing the list owner directly asking for help, when the list owner can't even tell what the user is doing or what address they're subscribed under, if they even got that far. My list is listed with Stephanie's PAML. I like that, and I don't mind helping people who subscribe directly. But services like remarq make things more complicated for me, and my effort to straighten things out just enriches and encourages places like remarq. I don't get paid for running mailing lists -- why should they get paid for repackaging them? I've written remarq, asking for my list to be removed from their service. I imagine I won't get a response, and I imagine they won't remove my list either -- that's what's typically happened with other similar services I've contacted. Thanks for letting me vent. :) Joe Vilas [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] -- Joseph H. Vilas [log in to unmask] 1-919-660-6902 Box 90132, Duke University, Durham, NC 27708-0132 "Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain."