i have a couple of mail list that i don't want the default.mailtpl [BOTTOM_BANNER] i tried a get default mailtpl then deleted my bottom_banner section, put as listname MAILTPL pw=xxxxxxx i got back my confirmation restarted the server and sent to the list Low and behold it still appends the bottom_banner. Am i not allowed to have a default and listname mailtpl? regards, John Morrison