FYI, here is an email I just sent to [log in to unmask] (the electronic greeting card site). If you agree, you might want to send them a note adding your support to my suggestion. From: [log in to unmask] (Rich Greenberg) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:39:35 -0700 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: SIBERNET-L: error report from BLUEMOUNTAIN.COM Dear Bluemountain support, You have made a change in your mail format which is causing a problem when your cards are sent to mailing lists. In order to trap errors wich many non-compliant mailers send to the list, most Listserv (r) controlled lists (I don't know if this also applies to other list software) trap mail which appears to come from userids such as "postmaster", "postoffice", "mailer" "daemon" and others and treat them as errors instead of posting them to the list. Cards from Bluemountain are having this problem. The "Sender:" line used to be "[log in to unmask]" and were getting trapped. Once the listowners recognized this problem, those that wanted to allow your cards added an exemption to the filter to permit "[log in to unmask]" to go to the list. Just today I found that a Bluemountain card had been trapped, and in looking at the headers (see below) your "Sender:" line now shows "[log in to unmask]" instead of postoffice. This will require a change in our exemption list if we want them to go thru. I would like to request that you change this again, this time using a userid that is unlikely to be on anybodys filter list. Good candidates would be "Cards" or "Greetings" or some such. Please note that you are the ONLY web greeting card company that has this problem. All the others go directly to the list and get distributed. In the case of my list, Sibernet-L, thats 1100 more pairs of eyeballs for your advertisers. (And Sibernet-L is a medium sized list. Here is what the bounce looks like: On Apr 17, 3:21am, "L-Soft list server at Apple (1.8d)" wrote: } Subject: SIBERNET-L: error report from BLUEMOUNTAIN.COM } The enclosed message, found in the SIBERNET-L mailbox and shown under the spool } ID 21127745 in the system log, has been identified as a possible delivery error } notice for the following reason: mail origin is listed in the "Filter=" list } header keyword (or its default value for the SIBERNET-L list). } } ------------------------ Message in error (27 lines) -------------------------- } Sender: [log in to unmask] (Stoney the Siberian Husky - as entered by sender) } From: [log in to unmask] (Stoney the Siberian Husky) } Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:20:46 -0700 (PDT) } To: [log in to unmask] (SIBERNET-L) } Subject: Pet Owners Independence Day-April 18th [snip] -- Rich Greenberg Work: Rich.Greenberg atsign worldspan.com +1 770-563-6656 N6LRT Marietta, GA, USA Play: richgr atsign netcom.com +1 770-321-6507 Eastern time zone. I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val(Chinook,CGC,TT),Red(Husky,(RIP)),Shasta(Husky,TT) Owner:Chinook-L Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue. Adopt a homeless Husky. Asst Owner:Sibernet-L