I am not certain that date-of-subscription is available for those who subscribed under an older version such as 1.8c or earlier. With 1.8d, besides the use of "query" you can also do a REView <listname> by date However when this command is issued, subscription dates are not always available for the earliest members. I am not certain if there is another way to glean this information from the logs if they are stored. Cheers, Louise Parsons co-listowner, Penstemon-L mailto:[log in to unmask] http://www.peak.org/~parsont/rockgard/