Here is the response one of my admin team got when asking why she was not getting message approvals or other admin type mail: -------- The mail is not being delivered because the mailserver for the domain MITVMA.MIT.EDU (pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu) is in the ORBS database as being an open relay and therefore is not allowed to send mail to the Qwest.net domain. Please refer to www.orbs.org for information on what ORBS is and what you can do to get the mailserver (ip address 18.69.0.28) out of the listing. In the meantime, you may want to open a free webbased email account for the purpose of exchanging mail with MIT. ------- First of all, can someone explain to me in English what in the world they are talking about. Second, does anyone have a solution besides the obvious. On the same note, HOTMAIL is either not delivering MITVMA Listserv messages, or MITVMA is not accepting HOTMAIL messages. So this freemail source is apparently not an option. Anyone have an inside track on this? HOTMAIL is recognizing my admin requests with APPLE server. Liz Marr