ORBS is an organization that tests mail servers to see if they can be hijacked by a SPAMer. If they are insecure they are listed in the ORBS database and other mail servers can be programmed to reject mail from those sources. It is a PIA, but a noble idea. I think it works more by blackmail than anything else. -- - bill - and Deborah, and the Hounds of Heaven: Fionna, Tulia, Carina (aka "the Monster"), and Becka Lansing, MI, USA visit us at: http://www.HoundsOfHeaven.com