Just by coincidence, I had two subscribers auto-deleted today by two different methods, and I don't understand the difference. The header in relevant part is: Subscription= open,confirm Send= Private Errors-to= Owners Review= Owner Notify= Yes Reply-to= Sender,Ignore Files= No Confidential= No Validate= Yes,Confirm X-Tags= No Ack= No Default-Options= Repro,ShortHDR Notebook= Yes,LISTS:[Guatemala-Adopt],Monthly,Private Mail-via= Distribute Auto-delete= Yes,Semi-Auto,Max(100),Delay(5),Probe(30) Renewal= 6-monthly,Delay(14) Sizelim= 300 Daily-threshold= 200,10 Language= NOHTML Attachments= No,Filter Here are the deletions: One: Date sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:06:56 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at St. John's University (1.8d)" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: GUATEMALA-ADOPT: Daily error monitoring report The following 1 subscriber was deleted from the GUATEMALA-ADOPT list today: First Last <[log in to unmask]> Last error was: Probe failed. The following 6 subscribers are currently being monitored: ....... Two: Date sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:01:57 -0500 From: "L-Soft list server at St. John's University (1.8d)" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: GUATEMALA-ADOPT: Subscription renewal monitoring report The following 1 subscriber was deleted from the GUATEMALA-ADOPT list today: [log in to unmask] The following 2 subscribers were probed today: .......... The first I understand but why the second deletion? The user in question wa snot on the error monitoring report. Is it one which resulted form a "hard" error that triggers immediate deletion instead of monitoring? And why doesn't LISTSERV tell me the specific reason as it does in the monitoring report? Thanks. ----- Tom Rawson [log in to unmask]