Well, I use Netscape, Outlook, and Pine -- if you can tell me how to do this in one of those, that would be swell. :) However, I have not yet been able to see the banners when viewing the message in either HTML or plain text format, and the banner does not appear in either the HTML or the plain text part of the message in the web archives. - Kathy Kevin Parris wrote: I've noticed that sometimes the mail reader does not show me a bottom banner when the message is mixed HTML, but the banner is present in the message though. Does your mail reader give you an option to view the messages in a 'raw' format? >>> [log in to unmask] 05/16/01 01:34PM >>> I have a list for which postings are not getting the top or bottom banners attached at all. Both of the banners exist, and the bottom banner was attached successfully to the first list posting (there was no top banner at the time). No posting since has been "bannered" (there have only been two or three).