At 11:03 PM 5/1/02, Dennis, ref to Ballew wrote: >>Are you also finding the list owner forum on Yahoo >>groups to be incredibly useful and helpful? >Are you kidding? Not especially a joke. For example, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emaillist-managers/ is a semi-moderated self-help group that has been running since eGroups days. The advice there is generally good, as there's little in the way of Yahoo behavior that they've not encountered yet. Also, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emaillist-managers-adult/ is a low-traffic list dedicated to the "adult" area of the service; it tends to be useful for forewarning purposes: Yahoo often introduces unpleasant surprises (such as "ads on top" and storage deletions) in the adult lists first before visiting them upon the rest of YGroups. No "official" lists exist for the Groups area any more. And, unlike the defunct eGroups-status, YGroups-status is hardly ever used for system notices. >Yahoo's list management documentation is a total joke. >If you stick to the simple common questions you're OK, >but get out into less travelled territory and you might as >well be falling off a cliff. A part of their "free services must be problem free" policy -- their problem-free service does not _require_ extensive documentation or customer support. As a result, you learn to become very self-sufficient over there. And sometimes angst is involved. (sigh) YGroups has a nice web management interface with some truly nifty options such as easy post editing. We moved off it for other reasons, and we're still maintaining our YGroups list via the "remote group" setting. So far, it's been a useful backup that we're using for people who don't like the Listserv format digests as well as other problem subscriptions (e.g., Yahoo ignores MSN errors, and probes and reactivates the YMail over-quota bounces without a peep). Vickie West Freelance, peach.ease.lsoft.com and Freelance, YahooGroups