I've had some recent experience as a member of a list that was hosted by Yahoo! groups and moved off it to an independent server partly because of the ads and mainly because accessing the archives involved a spectacularly complicated routine of joining Yahoo (getting yourself primed for more spam) and being in fact unable to finish the process -- server busy errors, etc. -- to get actual access. I thought Yahoo! was about as bad as it gets. As my dad used to say about free stuff, worth every penny. -- Russ St. Thomas University http://www.stu.ca/~hunt/