Without getting into or reasons or standards, I do believe I have a simple solution for the time being - do what is always done when circulating a regular paper note around the office - you always put a CC: line in the body to show who else is getting a copy. As archaic as that sounds, it works. It shouldn't even take more than a few seconds to cut and paste. -Jim -- Jim Serwinowski [log in to unmask] UB Listserv Administrator http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:21:36 -0500 > From: Valdis Kletnieks <[log in to unmask]> > Reply-To: LISTSERV give-and-take forum <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Listserv and CC-ing > > On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:25:23 EST, Wayne Smith <[log in to unmask]> said: > > > I think your client has overloaded the concept of "cc:" and expects > > LISTSERV to bail him out. I don't like any of the suggested changes to > > LISTSERV (a step backward they would be). > > Not at all true. The client is well within its expectations of how mail > headers should behave. > > RFC2822 (quoted below) is pretty clear on several things: > > A) CC: addresses are to be preserved. > B) BCC: addresses may or may not be preserved > C) In the absense of a Reply-To:, the CC and/or BCC fields may be used as > the source of destination addresses for a 'reply all' function. > > Listserv is treating CC: addresses in the way that the standard says bcc: > should be treated. It's Just Plain Wrong. > > /Valdis > > > 3.6.3. Destination address fields > > The destination fields of a message consist of three possible fields, > each of the same form: The field name, which is either "To", "Cc", or > "Bcc", followed by a comma-separated list of one or more addresses > (either mailbox or group syntax). > > to = "To:" address-list CRLF > > cc = "Cc:" address-list CRLF > > bcc = "Bcc:" (address-list / [CFWS]) CRLF > > The destination fields specify the recipients of the message. Each > destination field may have one or more addresses, and each of the > addresses indicate the intended recipients of the message. The only > difference between the three fields is how each is used. > > The "To:" field contains the address(es) of the primary recipient(s) > of the message. > > The "Cc:" field (where the "Cc" means "Carbon Copy" in the sense of > making a copy on a typewriter using carbon paper) contains the > addresses of others who are to receive the message, though the > content of the message may not be directed at them. > > The "Bcc:" field (where the "Bcc" means "Blind Carbon Copy") contains > addresses of recipients of the message whose addresses are not to be > revealed to other recipients of the message. There are three ways in > which the "Bcc:" field is used. In the first case, when a message > containing a "Bcc:" field is prepared to be sent, the "Bcc:" line is > removed even though all of the recipients (including those specified > in the "Bcc:" field) are sent a copy of the message. In the second > case, recipients specified in the "To:" and "Cc:" lines each are sent > a copy of the message with the "Bcc:" line removed as above, but the > recipients on the "Bcc:" line get a separate copy of the message > containing a "Bcc:" line. (When there are multiple recipient > addresses in the "Bcc:" field, some implementations actually send a > separate copy of the message to each recipient with a "Bcc:" > containing only the address of that particular recipient.) Finally, > since a "Bcc:" field may contain no addresses, a "Bcc:" field can be > sent without any addresses indicating to the recipients that blind > copies were sent to someone. Which method to use with "Bcc:" fields > is implementation dependent, but refer to the "Security > Considerations" section of this document for a discussion of each. > > When a message is a reply to another message, the mailboxes of the > authors of the original message (the mailboxes in the "From:" field) > or mailboxes specified in the "Reply-To:" field (if it exists) MAY > appear in the "To:" field of the reply since these would normally be > the primary recipients of the reply. If a reply is sent to a message > that has destination fields, it is often desirable to send a copy of > the reply to all of the recipients of the message, in addition to the > author. When such a reply is formed, addresses in the "To:" and > "Cc:" fields of the original message MAY appear in the "Cc:" field of > the reply, since these are normally secondary recipients of the > reply. If a "Bcc:" field is present in the original message, > addresses in that field MAY appear in the "Bcc:" field of the reply, > but SHOULD NOT appear in the "To:" or "Cc:" fields. > > Note: Some mail applications have automatic reply commands that > include the destination addresses of the original message in the > destination addresses of the reply. How those reply commands behave > is implementation dependent and is beyond the scope of this document. > In particular, whether or not to include the original destination > addresses when the original message had a "Reply-To:" field is not > addressed here. > > >