At 08:28 AM 5/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >> >2) make all subscribers CONCEALED by default whenever the subscribe to a > >> list? > >> > >> Default-Options= CONCEAL > >again correct, though I believe this option is redundant if REVIEW= >OWNERS is done. I find that concealed subscribers are not available to me as listowner through the REV LISTNAME command. I have to use a command which will give me the full information about each subscriber's options to get subscriber information for those set to CONCEAL. . This is a big disadvantage if list information is needed. In no way would I use it when REVIEW=OWNER will give me the standard list sorted in the way I desire (standardly for me, "by date"). In fact, I have used a global command: "quiet set [listname] noconceal for *@* to undo those who have used "conceal". They will know this only if they request their own options. In the beginning, I explained to the few who had opted for "conceal" that it was moot since I was the only one who had access to the list of subscribers. I would like to remove the instructions about "conceal" but have not done so. Be sure to use "quiet" with this command Barbara Passmore