Coming out of lurkdom to ask: Could you define these terms as you heard them defined at the FTC Span Forum you attended in May? The description the gentleman from Notre Dame used seemed particularly clear to me. Has this usage been altered, as he seems to suggest? Archimedes (Bach-List) >>> [log in to unmask] 11/14/2003 3:31:30 PM >>> The terms "confirmed opt-in" and "double opt-in" were used at the FTC Spam Forum I attended in May, defined using those meanings. Since those are the terms that were presented to the FTC and to the US lawmakers, those are the terms we used. It's all semantics. It doesn't matter what anyone calls it. The concept that was introduced to our lawmakers in the US as "confirmed opt-in" is insufficient, no matter what you call it. The concept that was introduced to our lawmakers as "double opt-in" is the way to go. What does it matter what you call it, as long as you DO the right thing? Francoise