I've noticed that certain lists "role" accounts are being spoofed (by viruses) in FROM: fields. Thus you may encounter: mail from: listname-SUBSCRIBE-REQUEST@listhost mail to: listname-SUBSCRIBE-REQUEST@listhost Because the particular listname was SERVICE=LOCAL and SUBSCRIPTION=OPEN, the process succeeded. I've done a QUIET SERVE listname-SUBSCRIBE-REQUEST OFF and was still able to use the auto-subscribe role address (that's a good thing). /Pete Weiss @ PennState