If you are interested in the convenience of your users, why not use passive probes? The users never see them! cheers, wayne Patrick von der Hagen wrote, in part, on 9/14/2005 6:05 AM: >and active probes happen once a month for each list, you get ten probes, >while mailman would send one monthly-reminder for all lists on the given >server, which my users consider to be much more convenient) >