I agree with Russ that it's a social problem at its root. HOWEVER there is the bigger issue. The list is run by a university...a university that receives federal funding nonetheless. Turn it over to the IT Department. They've received plenty of training from their Risk Management (University Attorney is the head of this department) folks on how to fix the problem. Will -- C. William Westerfield [log in to unmask] TIA Group www.tiagroup.net Phone: 231-995-9561 Fax: 231-995-9562 Pager: 231-274-0330 Email-To-Pager: [log in to unmask] Vocation is "The place where our deep gladness meets the hunger of the world", Frederick Buechner The information contained in this e-mail is privileged and confidential, intended only for the use of the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this transmission is not the intended recipient, or employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone, and return e-mail. Thank you for your assistance and cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: LISTSERV list owners' forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Russ Hunt Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 19:43 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Problem members This is part of the reason my first response was, no, the IT folks are not likely to be much help.