We have a number of lists that are Send= editor,hold,confirm,non-member. The only reason I want the confirm is to catch spam from non-members. I really don't want the editors to have to confirm. I can't think of a way around this. Perhaps Send= Public,confirm,non-member, and then set to the defaults to Review, add all the editors as subscribers and set them to NoReview and NoMail. -- Some minds are like concrete: thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. Bill Verity - 814-865-4758 Fax: 814-863-7049 215A Computer Building - Information Technology Services, Penn State University At the office - on my Mac, of course ;-)