Please don't think I'm taking things wrong, and please don't take me wrong. There is a good case for inter user discussion on this list, that being we postmasters and list owners can help each other understand what we are doing without making Eric have to hold our hands. Not all problems are bugs in the code, but rather can likely be a result of misunderstanding. Any software system can be better managed if everyone involved communicates between themselves freely. This is what LISTSERV is for in the first place. As to Mike's desire to stay out of the "chit chat" and only get the distribution stuff, perhaps there could be another list just for the distribution, called LSTSRV-D.