Phil's question is can you subscribe to an open list and then un-subscribe and by doing so change your name on a closed list on the same server. I don't believe so. Subscribing to the open list and then deleting your name from the list will update your entry in the "SIGNUP FILE", a file listserv keeps to get names for new signup's where a name is not given, and for messages sent to you. It will not update the actual entry in the other lists on the server you may be in, and the name used in your mail is the one in the list the mail is being sent to. The reason for not allowing the changing of entries in a closed list is to protect against UN*X hackers, who seem to be able to pretend to be anyone they want to, even YOU. This is also the reason for list passwords. The list password does not buy you any priveleges. It is only valid when used from an account which already has those priveleges and is only insurance that you are who you say you are. Harold