But June, doesn't Stanford have SUWATSON? As it happens, Notre Dame's main system is IRISHMVS; we're an end-node off them. No one's ever listened when I've mentioned making them an end node off of us, but I think that might be preferable in many cases. (This is not to start a RSCS vs. JESx fight; flames (or agreement) to me individually, please.) Eric, has anyone tried migrating LISTSERV to VMS? I know someone (Yale?) migrated RELAY to a VAX; perhaps we can enable more BITNET sites to run LISTSERV by helping someone migrate LISTSERV to VMS. Nick