Valdis, Many systems, such as UN*X, have central bulletin boards, or user accessable files, containing such various digests. These are usually subscribed to directly. Since LISTSERV has a logging facility, just use that as an excuse to get LISTSERV on the other list. Now, who's gonna be the wiser if some user just does their own SUBSCRIBE? A nasty alternative is send a note to the guy and say that you are going to drop your secret redistribution effective very very soon. Then make about 400 fake userids, and have each one send a subscription to that list. You, I, and *MAYBE* he, knows this could very well spell the end of that list altogether, due to the massive load. Of course I don't mean for you to seriously do this, but the matter is getting out of hand to the degree that network andimistrators might want to cut off such lists. Especially lists like SF-lovers, which don't really contribute to the computing functions of the members of the networks. If any list has to go out, those are likely to be first, due to their "unimportance". He really should be keeping a lower profile, and minimize his impact.