We are living in a world with 8 character userids and 80 character punch cards. I don't like it but that's reality. I just tried to feed the Crosswell mailer with PRT mail. No chance (By the way, the rejection mail sent to the postmaster truncates the lines which is of course not desirable). Therefore Listserv shares its difficulties with software which is (or should be) standard for VM nodes. In my opinion it isn't a good idea to send mail to the 'user@node' address directly if 'node' has a mailer. As long as this will be done I have *no* chance to implement a decent name registry to get rid of the stupid 8 char userid restriction (except when I intercept the RSCS link and filter *all* incoming files). I'm not happy with the restrictions of existing networks, but actually 80 char/line punch files seem to be the standard for Bitnet mail (even 132 chars/line don't cure this, it's just another magic number). I understand the problems in explaining the different behaviour of local and network mail to users very well. But because I'm far away from Stanford and its users and have to explain all this to *my* users (after finding out what happened) I would prefer if MAILER@STANFORD would send punch mail (and uses mailers when possible) :-) And of course I would like to see a Listserv release which gets not so confused by PRT mail. Thomas