If a mod were made to LISTSERV to support 8 char userids with -REQUEST on the end, then the -Request problem could be solved. On a VM system, an item sent to LISTNAME or to LISTNAME-REQUEST would fall into the same RDR, namely LISTNAME's. This means that if LISTSERV could verify that the mail is being sent to LISTNAME, and not to LISTNAME-REQUEST, then a mechanism would exist for all incoming files (Xwell MAILER can handle a 'SPECIAL' case route for the -REQUEST id already). The trick is to verify this by the complete userid being sent to in the To: field (or Resent-To:, cc:, and so on ...) by scanning to the left of the first delimiter, such as @ or %. This only works for 8 char userids because anything less would give a RDR address that is not the same, as in MAIL-L and MAIL-L-REQUEST, requiring that another userid, in this example MAIL-L-R, be established. If the list rule of -L were added, the significant list name part would be reduced still further to 6 characters. Comments? /Geert