It took a kind system services person to get the old list file back on line. So, a word of caution to list owners: If you destroy your "listname LIST" file via PUT, a backup is still available. BUT: if the destruction involved altering your ownership entry, then you cannot use GET listname (OLD to retrieve the backup so you'll have to annoy your systems administrator :-( This information can be derived directly from the "listownr memo" file. --- Rotan.