To understand why QUIET is not the default, you have to think about the poor subscribers who do want to be informed about unexpected changes to their subscription (when they did not explicitly ask the list owner to make the change). This is why QUIET is not the default, in fact QUIET is supposed to be used: - For "mass change" operations, which are better advertized with a posting to the list. - For accounts which have been deleted and would get you another piece of junk mail if you didn't use QUIET. Eric