I don't want to enter this debate, but I have to say just one thing: the EB0UB011 server has been chronically screwed up since about the time Jose-Maria left the place. The degree of screwup has indeed increased at about the same time LISTEARN was installed, but it may or may not have been a direct consequence. The one thing that is clear in this mess is that the people who were in charge of the server at that time were pretty unresponsive, to use gentle words, and mail to Postmaster returns "no such local user" while the registered technical contact had moved to greener pastures and nobody bothered to read his mail regularly. Eric