You are right, errors that go to owner-listname do not have the usual subject because they do not go through the loop detector and are forwarded to you at a much lower level. I cannot just forward them to the list address and make them go through the main post-to-list code with the loop detector and the formatted subjects because there is no guarantee that they would then be detected as delivery errors. Instead I have added code to the owner-xxx forwarding to generate the same subjects and headers you are used to. It will be in the next release. Eric