I would like this ridiculous discussion to stop, now, because everything has been said. LISTSERV is not a gateway, it doesn't operate in the usenet world, it doesn't talk NNTP or otherwise communicate with usenet systems, it doesn't have to respect usenet conventions any more than 'rn' has to respect LISTSERV conventions. It can't know which messages come from usenet and which don't, so it can't give special treatment to usenet messages. That's all there is to say about it and indeed that's about all that has been said in the last week - just in a much more verbose, tedious and repetitive way. If you have a problem with the gateway, take your flaming to the gateway maintainers. LISTSERV and I have absolutely no control over the gateway code or the people who write or manage it, so I don't want this list to be clogged with these complaints, nor do I want people to sign off because they wanted information about LISTSERV and ended up getting a usenet flame fest for appetizer. LSTSRV-L is a mailing list, with all that it implies in fascist access control. If this discussion doesn't stop, I will start activating all these evil features to make it stop. Since the list is gatewayed to a usenet group you'll be able to flame all you want on the usenet side, but it won't make it to the list. I thank you in advance for your cooperation. Eric