It is easy for people who know to complain that instructions are useless and redundant. Personally, I find the instructions in the administrative LISTSERV messages totally redundant, and actually the messages themselves are mostly useless and a waste of my time, since they come as a separate message. All I would ever need is: > set xyz-l glurp OK This being said, you can remove the instructions by creating a listname INDEX-H file with just a blank line or equivalent. Of course, people who have never used an index will then have to guess how to create a suitable database job to order the items they want. But then it's not very difficult, all you have to do is send an INFO DATABASE command, extract a sample job, fill in a few keywords and send it off :-) Eric