On Sep 22, 14:30, "John S. Fisher" wrote: } Here's the snag: Each list has a corresponding news group on USENET, } and, courtesy of UCBVAX.BERKELEY.EDU, posted news items are sent to the } list. I'm supposed to send mail items back to the news group (via } UCBVAX), excluding the stuff sent by UCBVAX (naturally). } I understand that in the Unix world they create a "hidden" list. UCBVAX } sends to the hidden list; everyone else sends to the public list. The } public list has only two members--the hidden list and UCBVAX. The hidden } list as the real membership. This sounds about right and fairly simple to prevent loopback on your end. You do have to get UCBVAX to change their forwarding address - do you have contact with them? I believe that these were setup and maintained by Erik E. Fair. He should be able to assist. Trick is contacting him. Maybe postmaster@ucbvax knows. Failing that, try posting to news.admin.misc asking for general assistance or one of the whois servers for Erik. -- Chris Lewis; [log in to unmask]; Phone: Canada 613 832-0541 Psroff 3.0 info: [log in to unmask] Ferret list: [log in to unmask]