One thing worse than Voice Mail Hell, is when a list is setup VALIDATE= ALL I hate it ... I've been stung by its indiscriminate use. I'm sure you'll have a counter arguement though ;-) /Pete ([log in to unmask]) -- co-owner LDBASE-L, TQM-L, FINAID-L, et -L -- Peter M. Weiss "The 'NET' never naps" +1 814 863 1843 31 Shields Bldg. -- Penn State Univ -- University Park, PA USA 16802-1202