It is a bit off the subject but the whole tone of that CREN brochure struck me as "self serving" at the expense of all the members who are really the ones who do 99% of the work! As an example, I have this feeling that BITNET III will depend on local members providing all the installation and technical support necessary to keep the local access going (but I only suspect that - I don't know for sure). It would be sort of like CREN taking credit for the BITNET backbone in the US when you and I know who is paying the freight on that one! ;-) I fear that if CREN doesn't get off their duff and get moving on the L-Soft stuff they are going to lose members faster than they ever dreamed. Instead of designing brochures I sure would have rather had them completing the deal in the same timeframe that EARN did. Marty