Hey, David, I'm with you. The NIC is drowning in bureaucracy, they cannot get our node info straight for administrative reasons. The benefits they used to convey are useless in these days of Internet dominance, and they cannot even conclude a little discount agreement with Eric. Maybe we need a low-cost LISTSERV buyers club. Dave Dave Gomberg, role model for those who don't ask much in their fantasy lives. GOMBERG@UCSFVM Internet node UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU fax-> (415)731-7797