I sympathize with Anthea not particularly because of my own list but because of what I have seen happen to at least four other lists where they descended literally into the gutter of name calling and abuse which eventually caused the academic participants to fall silent. This is a great pity as when I first signed on the lists were dealing with very important topics. The internet seems to be a corner of cyberspace where sanity is considered tyranny. The solution seems to be moderated lists and protected subscriptions.-- Paul. -- Dr. Paul S. di Virgilio, University of Toronto [log in to unmask]