I think that I can answer the question of who is to say what is garbage and what is not! First, when the majority of the posts are personal attacks, that's garbage. Second, when many posts are simply repeated answers to previous inane questions, that's garbage. Third, when the questions have absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with the stated topic (such as several requests for hotel recommendations), that's garbage. As Eric has frequently said, the list owner shapes his or her list in the fashion that he or she wants and believes best. My own case is more complicated in that I have a large, multi-year federal grant for the list, and the grant is to support a certain type of list. I very much doubt that we would get refunded if the list continued to decline in its level of scholarship as it is doing now. Indeed, I (as a tax payer) would be OUTRAGED if I saw the level of absolute nonsense and meanness that my $$$ was being used for on this list these days. In short, I can answer ERic Crump's question about who is to judge by saying that *I* am the judge, as are all other owners. Just because one list thrives on anarchy doesn't mean that they all do. Moreoever, I think that 3 years seems to be a turning point in lists....they either mature, change direction, or die. I can't change direction because of my funding and the list isn't maturing. So it's dying. Peace, Anthea Tillyer