Sorry for the repeat, forgot something. Remember the item I sent in couple of days ago about the listowner investigated by the campus police on a spurious charge? Well, one of the techniques in this "FAQ" is that if the real subscribers and the listowner are too good for you, try vilification of the listowner outside the list. If that gets the list shut down you've "won." Sounds like getting the listowner fired from his job would be a bonus. Douglas Douglas Winship Austin, Texas [log in to unmask] Secondary AUTOCAT Listowner