Anthea, there ARE people who trash lists 'for fun', and certainly are some organized groups who have done so to some newsgroups. Check out rec.pets.cats if you need an example. I imagine it is a bunch of immature hackers, and the goal is simply to see if it can be done. Or, in some cases it may be a grudge of some sort, like the guy who shot all the air force folks because he'd been kicked out of the service. Of course he shot the shrink who kicked him out first. The one thing that hasn't been mentioned so far, at least on list that I've seen is to simply unsub the worst offenders. Simply tell the list that offenses of type x will get one warning. Next offense, they are gone. unsubbed. served off. etc. Like any threat, you have to be willing to carry it out. You could really get tough and list the names of offeneders who are publicly warned. o-) Consider it. It works. cyclops Dan Lester Internet: [log in to unmask] Network Information Coordinator Bitnet: ALILESTE@IDBSU Boise State University Library Boise, Idaho 83725 In the kingdom of the blind, the 208-385-1235 one-eyed man is king. Erasmus. 1523