I've appreciated all of the advice to date for getting started as a list owner. My problem is that I can't find a BITNET node that will respond or allow me to start the lists. My database search in PEERS for nodes in California turned up phone numbers (I tried 3 or 4) that were dead and LISTSERV owners that haven't yet responded to my queries (except for UC Davis which explained their LISTSERV is routed elsewhere). I tried UBVM because it seemed popular, but I got a half line denial, no explanation. So, where do I go from here? I've been reading the posts to this list for several months now, and I feel I am prepared. Our company definitely needs a forum for the computer language that we develope. Once I'm established, hopefully my posts to this group will be more helpful, instead of begging for help. TIA, Brent =============================================================================== Brent Hammond Digital Information Systems Corporation (DISC) E-Mail: [log in to unmask] Phone: (916) 635-7300 x331, FAX: (916) 635-6549