Here's a new concept to begin watching for (I must admit, it IS cleverer than Canter&Siegel). Pitchman joins list under two user ids, the second (later) one is a "stooge account" (AOL, Compuserve, whereever) and posts a question in the form of: Does anyone have an email address for Widgets&Thingamabobs? Then Pitchman answers: The email address is [log in to unmask] and they also have a web and gopher server at www-gopher.Widgets.Com. Check out the files: wonder-new-product. If you can't do ftp/gopher/Mosaic, I'll be happy to email a copy to you... [Advertising by the back door--at least to selected lists/newgroups] /s Murphy A. Sewall <[log in to unmask]> (203) 486-2489 voice Professor of Marketing (203) 486-5246 fax