Douglas, I'm confused. Are you just using AUTOCAT as an example? I can see why one might want it to be REALLY private if it were the CHILMOLE list for child molesters or something, but even gay-libn and bisexu-l aren't totally private. Are the catalogers of the library world getting so private and paranoid that they don't even want anyone to know that they are on the list, or what the list is about? o-) Or has AUTOCAT just kept the old title and changed to KINKYLIB since I was last on it? cyclops, who really does NOT understand why anyone wouldn't want folks to know what a NON-PRIVATE list is even about Dan Lester Internet: [log in to unmask] Network Information Coordinator WWW: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu Boise State University Library Boise, Idaho 83725 In the kingdom of the blind, the 208-385-1235 one-eyed man is king. Erasmus. 1523