This is a miniflame, so flame on! What is going on with this list? I've been helping a couple of listowners with problems in my bumling, illinformed manner, and have told them not to be afraid to post "dumb" questions to this list (I do it all the time and make dumb comments to boot) as they will get lots of answers from those who know better than I. They post to the list and get zilch in return. And we have had great opportunities for discussion on lists and listownership (ethics and philosophy thereof) which have been totally ignored (I didn't respond to the item which referred to one of my arguments as a "red herring" (which it was not) as I was sure lots of others would jump in). To (probably) misquoute, " We can all hang together, or we can hang separately." And if you don't believe that, take a look at the Nov. 23 issue of _The Chronicle of Higher Education_ . There are folk out with loaded guns to get us because they don't like the authority, however lightly it may be applied, we have over our lists. The author of the article (p. A21, "Gatekeeping on the Internet") asked questions on this list and interviewed us, via a conference call, and I imagine he talked to a few others of you. If you haven't read it, read it. So, where is everyone? Why aren't people getting the help they need? Why no discussion on legal and philosphical matters pertaining to lists and listownership when there are ripe topics crying to be addressed presented on the list? How about some response, hmm? miniflame off Douglas Winship Austin, Texas [log in to unmask] Secondary AUTOCAT Listowner