We haven't made any decision regarding printed manuals. The current thinking is that most of the documentation will be freely available in online form. If there is enough demand we can always print copies and sell them. I'm not sure looseleaf updates are cost effective because IBM abandoned them a long time ago. Given the amount of docs they ship you even if you explicitly say you absolutely, positively don't want a 5th copy just because you bought a 5th machine, I imagine that if it's not cost effective for them it's bound to be a very lousy deal for smaller companies. I hear the list owner's guide is coming along well and the keyword reference is finished. Unfortunately this means I now have to review them ;-( Eric