> sell them. I'm not sure looseleaf updates are cost effective because IBM > abandoned them a long time ago. Given the amount of docs they ship you > even if you explicitly say you absolutely, positively don't want a 5th > copy just because you bought a 5th machine, I imagine that if it's not > cost effective for them it's bound to be a very lousy deal for smaller Well, what I'm talking about isn't tied to purchase of your software. You come up with a comprehensive manual for listowners and the listowners buy it (I would) and the purchase entitles the purchaser to a year (or so many issues) of updates. After that continued updates requires paid subscription (you got my money). Lots of law publishers do it this way and make big bucks. I don't care how much money you make (as long as you make enough to stay in business and continue to improve LISTSERV), but I really would like to see LSOFT put out a good printed manual for those listowners who want it. Do fellow listowners have any comments on this? Would you buy it if he made it available? Douglas Douglas Winship Hays County, Texas [log in to unmask] Secondary AUTOCAT Listowner MEDLAB-L