"Why should Eric and his competitors not charge for their business product? Do you see the phone company giving away the first three months to get you to install a phone?" The phone companies have and do run advertising campaigns with offers of free long distance I usbscribed to MCI because they sent me a voucher for about $30 worth of calls (and they keep sending them). Those with orphaned lists should start bugging the computer gurus at their academic institutions to run listserv. If budget is the problem I suppose they can consider MAJORDOMO, which at this point costs $0.00. Jorge Arriagada