>I've started a folder to document things. They're telling me in email >that a *competitor* will start a new list. Dear Maureen There is your answer!! Let him start a new list and take his nasty little friends with him! I have had two major sources of dissension on vwar-l over the past four years. In both cases I *encouraged* them (in one case I even made the initial suggestion) to start their own lists. They did so and all has been peaceful (touch wood!) on vwar-l ever since. Or perhaps some responsible person from your list would be willing to start a related newsgroup, rather than gatewaying your list. Two members of vwar-l who were fed up with the sandbox aspects of alt.war.vietnam have been doing a superb job as moderators of soc.history.war.vietnam. Good luck--and don't let it get to you! Lydia Fish Listowner [log in to unmask]