Well, Eric explained a couple days ago about the problems with lack of a critical mass of 1.8b, esp. on backboone...and lag problems due to all the major net changes. bet they are all still the case. (that was all in ref to Lovely Lily or whatever she was) cyclops Dan Lester Internet: [log in to unmask] Network Information Coordinator WWW: http://cyclops.idbsu.edu/ Boise State University Library Boise, Idaho 83725 How can one fool make another wise? 208-385-1235 Kansas, "No One Together," 1979