> Now, my question is: can you setup a site-wide filter Yes. Revised LISTSERV allows the postmaster/maintainer of a specific site to refuse service to any address, including blocking entire sites if necessary (the SERVE command does accept wildcards, eg *@AOL.COM or *@penet.finet.fi). It's not often done, and in some other people's opinion, never done wisely, but it's very effective in most cases. > share this information with each other, and so the site-wide delete can > be followed with site-wide filtering at all the major sites - and basically > take care of the bogus subscribers quickly and efficiently. This has always gone on informally, however the problem is with propagation delay -- the filtering information list propagates at the same rate as the bozo posting/spam, and is usually after the fact, so the damage has already been done. This is the essential problem with the current spam detector -- aside from an occasional false positive, the information can't pass from server to server fast enough to prevent some of the spam postings from going out unchecked. In some ways, it might make sense to abandon NJE connnectivity for LISTSERV completely and add a process that maintains a live TCP connection to all the DISTRIBUTE backbone servers to do out-of-band notification like this. > This idea applies to net-wide deletes as well as net-wide filtering; > done informally with a mailing list. And any site that was uncomfortable > with the net-wide effect could elect not to be on the mailing list. To be effective, it would have to be global in scope -- the weak link in the chain theory would apply with a vengeance here. Also, the security for invoking something like this would have to be pretty serious in order to avoid malicious use -- perhaps some sort of one-time password scheme generated by the originating server and a dual query-response approach for the credentials required for the user. Denial-of-service attacks would be a significant problem here. > be done carefully. And there are considerations for how such things > 'scale up', as Eric likes to remind us. But it happens infrquently > enough that it ought to be manageeable. Realistically, as the unwashed masses get net access, it's only going to get worse. Stopping it now is essential, while the problem is relatively small. In a year, it's not going to be a small problem any more.