Roger, where I live "free" local calling is optional, and if you opt out you save about $3 per month and pay $.01 per minute (less 30% eve, 60% nite). It occurs to me I think I could do free local calling in UK by having a number that you dial, then as an ISP I call you back on lines with specially low negotiated rates (even if I call from Ireland!). You just need some tough entrepreneurs in the UK. Dave Dave Gomberg, Experimenta San Francisco CA USA [log in to unmask]